tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21720499.post7900456579391231956..comments2022-11-17T02:45:05.042-06:00Comments on emergingumc: Can We Still Talk about... Judgment?Taylor W Burton Edwardshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00963804209682220712noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21720499.post-28906742675760850542011-06-22T21:05:37.765-05:002011-06-22T21:05:37.765-05:00The Second Coming, and the Judgement, are (IMO) in...The Second Coming, and the Judgement, are (IMO) individual events within the heart and soul of each person. It is something that will happen, does happen, and has happened, on the spiritual plane. It it is not some worldwide, physical event that is "to come," because it takes place in the eternal now of God.Chapel Hill Plumberhttp://chapelhillplumbingrepair.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21720499.post-49159248166648358782011-06-01T17:17:04.940-05:002011-06-01T17:17:04.940-05:00Taylor -- this reminded me in sitting in the home ...Taylor -- this reminded me in sitting in the home of some friends over 10 years ago and talking about the gospel with a priest from Africa. We talked about the call and claim of God upon our lives and at one point the talk turned to judgement. "Oh," he said, "I feel so sorry for you Americans." "Why," I asked. "Because - when you stand before God you will stand alone...but in Kenya when we die and stand in judgement before God our family members will be standing there with us saying 'no, really, he wasn't so bad...'" Your piece just reminded me of that conversation all over again.Mike Matherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16235028237943894027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21720499.post-46663380481985263592011-05-28T17:11:56.573-05:002011-05-28T17:11:56.573-05:00It is interesting that this week the lectionary gi...It is interesting that this week the lectionary gives us Paul in Athens who ends by declaring that the resurrection proves Jesus is the judge appointed by God over all the Earth.<br /><br />Many in Athens scoffed at this as well.<br /><br />I'm not sure how to make the division, but it seems like we need to separate those who will never hear anything we have to say from those who are conflicted or pulled in more than one direction by the competing voices that urge them to ignore the church's proclamation.<br /><br />For that second group, my first effort to come up with a useful idea would be to try to connect these foolish doctrines to the central thrust of the gospel.<br /><br />The promises of the OT prophets require judgement. We can all imagine evils and horrors that we would consider it unjust for God to ignore or simply pass over. If we believe in an active God at all, God must judge.<br /><br />This is not well formed and probably not helpful, but it is an attempt at a response to your question.John Meunierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15640046073453219165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21720499.post-88428980555438954382011-05-26T14:02:18.209-05:002011-05-26T14:02:18.209-05:00A few years ago I was in a situation that involved...A few years ago I was in a situation that involved remaining in a place to defend against what I perceived as an evil threat or leaving, letting it all go in order to follow a path of what I suppose would be one of meekness, non-resistance. I chose to stay and stand- and the suffering was mighty. I have come to think of that battle within as my own personal Armageddon, and that choice and the painful aftermath as tribulation and judgment. Since then, I have come to believe that the dynamic of judgment and consequences is always present with me, in every conscious choice I make.<br /> Why is Christ the judge? Because he has walked in our shoes and been found blameless. The only standard by which we can live as Christians is the model set for us by Jesus. All else must fall away ( be released and replaced by the mind of Christ, the heart of Christ, the work of Christ..). We are living in Judgment every day, but you are right; we don't want to talk about it. We want to put off making any significant changes until some particular end point. <br /> My SS class was talking a couple of weeks ago about how we will recognize Christ when he comes, if it doesn't happen to be in a literal cloud. It is the same thing to me. We are not only to BE Christ as nearly as we possibly can, ALL the time, but we are also to SEE Christ in every face we behold. If he's everywhere , we can't miss him. We may not notice the encounter, but in honoring his essence contained in every one, we will have honored him and judgment will be given with large doses of grace.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00183088721495644353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21720499.post-75072068340348745552011-05-25T21:10:22.199-05:002011-05-25T21:10:22.199-05:00Taylor, I greatly appreciate the work you do to br...Taylor, I greatly appreciate the work you do to bring the Wesleyan perspective to light. There is much we push aside in his writing even though we claim them as key doctrinal influences.<br /><br />Influenced by Camping and your post about wrath, I wrote this blog post: http://mikeatasbury.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/the-end-is-near/. I think it applies more to this post. I agree with Wesley and others, there is a judgment day coming. I'm not sure my perspective meshes perfectly with yours, but I think its similar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com